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Post by CSU - Carolina Sniper on Dec 8, 2006 11:00:07 GMT -5
this is sad, a immigrant knows more than an american born citizen. on the other hand i love it. god, creator and such is mention in various historical documents but when you look at it, what god is being mentioned? there is no specific god that is refered to, instead it is a broad term. it could mean the christian god, allah, ra, zeus, etc, i see people pray all the time in public, i have no problem at all with it either, if a person wants to practice their religion inpublic as long as it doesn't harm any person who cares. if a muslim wants to get on the ground to pray let them, i see plenty of christians who pray out loud, get down on their knees, throw their hands up into the air and such. do i care, nope. as long as they aren't in the middle of the highway when they want to practice their religion then what does it matter to me, especially in a gym. i'm sorry but gyms are noisy anyways. i've got a bit of advice for you sk, denounce your citizenship and then try to take the citizenship test. i think you'll be pleasantly surpised to find that you'll fail it.
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Post by Sauerkraut on Dec 8, 2006 11:04:46 GMT -5
It's in the preamble, a part of the constitution. Why was that word put there in the first place though? The founders could of used something else. They decided to use that word "Creator" for a reason- also, if they wanted sep. of church and state I'm sure they would of put that somewhere in the constitution. They didn't. So you're saying that because separation is not in the constitution, it does not exist right? The courts have put it there. But it does not exist as it is. Don't forget Dec. 25th is a NATIONAL Holiday thru an act of congress. That is clearly a Christian Holiday. All federal and all state offices are closed on Dec. 25th.
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Post by CSU - Carolina Sniper on Dec 8, 2006 11:06:03 GMT -5
So you're saying that because separation is not in the constitution, it does not exist right? The courts have put it there. But it does not exist as it is. Don't forget Dec. 25th is a NATIONAL Holiday thru an act of congress. That is clearly a Christian Holiday. All federal and all state offices are closed on Dec. 25th. read the bill that made it law, you'll be shocked that it covers all religions since this time of year almost every major religion has a holiday.
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Post by Sauerkraut on Dec 8, 2006 11:07:15 GMT -5
It's in the preamble, a part of the constitution. Why was that word put there in the first place though? The founders could of used something else. They decided to use that word "Creator" for a reason- also, if they wanted sep. of church and state I'm sure they would of put that somewhere in the constitution. They didn't. It's in the pre-amble is it? Here's the preamble - do point it out. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America I was thinking about that line where it goes "All men are created equal by their creator" (or words to that effect) and it's also mentioned in many other historic papers when our nation was founded.
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Post by CSU - Carolina Sniper on Dec 8, 2006 11:08:24 GMT -5
It's in the pre-amble is it? Here's the preamble - do point it out. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America I was thinking about that line where it goes "All men are created equal by their creator" (or words to that effect) and it's also mentioned in many other historic papers when our nation was founded. oh my lord, get your papers right. did you ever graduate highschool? this is a sad day, just shows the ignorance of the average american when it comes to his own nations history.
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Post by Sauerkraut on Dec 8, 2006 11:08:39 GMT -5
The courts have put it there. But it does not exist as it is. Don't forget Dec. 25th is a NATIONAL Holiday thru an act of congress. That is clearly a Christian Holiday. All federal and all state offices are closed on Dec. 25th. read the bill that made it law, you'll be shocked that it covers all religions since this time of year almost every major religion has a holiday. Surprise!! only The Christian faith has a Holiday on Dec. 25th. That's when we celebrate the birth of Jesus. The reason for the season as they say.
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Post by CSU - Carolina Sniper on Dec 8, 2006 11:10:29 GMT -5
read the bill that made it law, you'll be shocked that it covers all religions since this time of year almost every major religion has a holiday. Surprise!! only The Christian faith has a Holiday on Dec. 25th. That's when we celebrate the birth of Jesus. The reason for the season as they say. last time i checked i said this time of year, stop reading stuff that isn't there and go read the bill like i said. you have the jewish holidays, muslim holidays, christian holidays, pegan holidays all within a month of each other. get a grip with reality.
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Post by britcaptain on Dec 8, 2006 12:23:12 GMT -5
It's in the pre-amble is it? Here's the preamble - do point it out. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America I was thinking about that line where it goes "All men are created equal by their creator" (or words to that effect) and it's also mentioned in many other historic papers when our nation was founded. But not the constitution, and by your reasoning based on the fact that separation is not in the constitution, it must therefore not exist. You stated that god is mentioned in the constitution, it isn't. Assimilate man!! Learn your nations founding documents before you spout off about what is in them.
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Post by heathenesque on Dec 8, 2006 12:36:57 GMT -5
this is sad, a immigrant knows more than an american born citizen. You beat me to it! ;D And I agree with you about how sad it is. I seem to recall that all elementary students were --at one time-- required to take civics lessons and -know- this stuff. I think that we don't make our children learn and understand this stuff is even sadder.
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Post by diplomat on Dec 8, 2006 13:30:59 GMT -5
you have the jewish holidays, muslim holidays, christian holidays, pegan holidays all within a month of each other. get a grip with reality. The fact remains that SK is correct in that December 25 (CHRISTMAS) is the seasonal NATIONALLY recognized holiday and is religion based.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2006 13:34:17 GMT -5
you have the jewish holidays, muslim holidays, christian holidays, pegan holidays all within a month of each other. get a grip with reality. The fact remains that SK is correct in that December 25 (CHRISTMAS) is the seasonal NATIONALLY recognized holiday and is religion based. I agree with Kraut...this is the Christmas holidays, period. Everyone else can suck it up.
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Post by Koinonia on Dec 8, 2006 14:07:37 GMT -5
this is sad, a immigrant knows more than an american born citizen. on the other hand i love it. god, creator and such is mention in various historical documents but when you look at it, what god is being mentioned? there is no specific god that is refered to, instead it is a broad term. it could mean the christian god, allah, ra, zeus, etc, i see people pray all the time in public, i have no problem at all with it either, if a person wants to practice their religion inpublic as long as it doesn't harm any person who cares. if a muslim wants to get on the ground to pray let them, i see plenty of christians who pray out loud, get down on their knees, throw their hands up into the air and such. do i care, nope. as long as they aren't in the middle of the highway when they want to practice their religion then what does it matter to me, especially in a gym. i'm sorry but gyms are noisy anyways. i've got a bit of advice for you sk, denounce your citizenship and then try to take the citizenship test. i think you'll be pleasantly surpised to find that you'll fail it. Somehow, I just don't thing muslims had anything to do with writing our documents in and around 1776. Which God was it? It's perfectly clear.
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Post by CSU - Carolina Sniper on Dec 8, 2006 14:17:48 GMT -5
this is sad, a immigrant knows more than an american born citizen. on the other hand i love it. god, creator and such is mention in various historical documents but when you look at it, what god is being mentioned? there is no specific god that is refered to, instead it is a broad term. it could mean the christian god, allah, ra, zeus, etc, i see people pray all the time in public, i have no problem at all with it either, if a person wants to practice their religion inpublic as long as it doesn't harm any person who cares. if a muslim wants to get on the ground to pray let them, i see plenty of christians who pray out loud, get down on their knees, throw their hands up into the air and such. do i care, nope. as long as they aren't in the middle of the highway when they want to practice their religion then what does it matter to me, especially in a gym. i'm sorry but gyms are noisy anyways. i've got a bit of advice for you sk, denounce your citizenship and then try to take the citizenship test. i think you'll be pleasantly surpised to find that you'll fail it. Somehow, I just don't thing muslims had anything to do with writing our documents in and around 1776. Which God was it? It's perfectly clear. fact is that they never said an exact god, jefferson even rewrote the bible so which god did he believe in in his bible? fact is that the stuff sk is quoting and claiming it to come from isn't true, when a person doens't know the facts they are posting nor do they have an idea of american history and government its sad.
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Post by diplomat on Dec 8, 2006 15:22:14 GMT -5
fact is that they never said an exact god, jefferson even rewrote the bible so which god did he believe in in his bible? Jefferson rewrote the Bible and NO ONE paid attention to it. He rewrote the story of Jesus as told in the New Testament and compiled his own gospel version known as The Jefferson Bible, which eliminated all miracles attributed to Jesus and ended with his burial. The Jeffersonian gospel account contained no resurrection, a twist to the life of Jesus that was considered scandalous to Christians but perfectly sensible ONLY to Jefferson's Deistic mind. Even Charles Manson can rewrite the Bible. That doesn't mean that its contents are accurate or of ANY historical significance.
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Post by diplomat on Dec 8, 2006 15:35:54 GMT -5
last time i checked i said this time of year, stop reading stuff that isn't there and go read the bill like i said. you have the jewish holidays, muslim holidays, christian holidays, pegan holidays all within a month of each other. get a grip with reality. September = Ramadan, Yom Kippur, Fall Solstice And yet no one calls it "Happy Holidays".
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