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Post by Ihatepeople on Dec 12, 2006 10:30:22 GMT -5
Just what is it you want to do to or with Americans who happen to to be Muslims? Be Americans, join our culture, Assimilate... don't just come here and pretend it's an extention of the old homeland they left. Do they want to be Americans or not? I guess you didn't understand the question?
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Post by Ihatepeople on Dec 12, 2006 10:35:39 GMT -5
Sorry, boys, but I don't believe historical data is wrong and you boys are right. Not the case. Israel has existed for millenia. You don't have to like it but it's still fact. do a search for the truth yourselves if you don't like my sources. LOOK!! I found a historical map of prehistoric North America. If you don't like my sources search for the truth yourself.
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Post by mrsp on Dec 12, 2006 10:44:36 GMT -5
Just what is it you want to do to or with Americans who happen to to be Muslims? Be Americans, join our culture, Assimilate... don't just come here and pretend it's an extention of the old homeland they left. Do they want to be Americans or not? SK, you do know that there are a whole lot of Muslims born in this countyry don't you? They don't all come from somewhere else. Just what do you want these born in the US Muslims citizens to do to make you feel safe since you assume they are a dnager solely because of their religion?
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Post by mrsp on Dec 12, 2006 10:48:02 GMT -5
Are some of you under the impression that the only source for the history of Israel is the Bible? There are many ancient sources that confirm and supplement the historical information in the Bible.
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Post by charlestongrrl on Dec 12, 2006 10:53:58 GMT -5
Sorry, boys, but I don't believe historical data is wrong and you boys are right. Not the case. Israel has existed for millenia. You don't have to like it but it's still fact. do a search for the truth yourselves if you don't like my sources. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you... I am in the middle of reading Exodus (geez, Moses was whiney) and it is my understanding that Isreal is a people, NOT a land. Is that what you mean... cuz then you are right I think... but not where they are now. They have been wandering around for quite some time. *it's hard being God's chosen.
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Post by Sauerkraut on Dec 12, 2006 11:15:26 GMT -5
Be Americans, join our culture, Assimilate... don't just come here and pretend it's an extention of the old homeland they left. Do they want to be Americans or not? SK, you do know that there are a whole lot of Muslims born in this countyry don't you? They don't all come from somewhere else. Just what do you want these born in the US Muslims citizens to do to make you feel safe since you assume they are a dnager solely because of their religion? Yes, some are born here, but the vast majority are new immigrants...we did have of late a big rush of Muslim Immigrants here. In Ohio we just got in 50,000 Somili refugees from a refugee camp. No background checks done needless to say, and all are Muslims. Our immigration rate is outta control both legal and illegal. We are importing the worlds poverity. many have no schooling or job skills. Immigrants who can contribute to our nation are one thing, the poor who come here and live off the taxpayers are another. They all drive down wages too.
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Post by mrsp on Dec 12, 2006 11:25:30 GMT -5
All of which has nothing to do with my question to you. Again, just what is it you want from the 100s of thousands of Muslim citizens in this country since you think they should be treated differently because of irrational fear directed at all Muslims?
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Post by Kissy on Dec 12, 2006 11:54:19 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_JudahFor all reasonable purposes, the country of "Israel" did not exist until recently. The "Israelites" who migrated to that area were mostly tribal, and had tribal areas in that region. There IS a difference between a "recognized" state, and simply boundries drawn in the sand. IMPO of course.
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Post by Johnnyk on Dec 12, 2006 13:22:26 GMT -5
Sorry, boys, but I don't believe historical data is wrong and you boys are right. Not the case. Israel has existed for millenia. You don't have to like it but it's still fact. do a search for the truth yourselves if you don't like my sources. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you... I am in the middle of reading Exodus (geez, Moses was whiney) and it is my understanding that Isreal is a people, NOT a land. Is that what you mean... cuz then you are right I think... but not where they are now. They have been wandering around for quite some time. *it's hard being God's chosen. You are CORRECT on all counts...especially about Whiney Moses...the Israelites were a PEOPLE thousands of years before they became a nation. The Nation of Israel didn't come into existence until 1948. The name for the land was taken from the name of the people, not the other way around as Koinonia would have you believe.
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Post by heathenesque on Dec 12, 2006 13:27:45 GMT -5
All of which has nothing to do with my question to you. Again, just what is it you want from the 100s of thousands of Muslim citizens in this country since you think they should be treated differently because of irrational fear directed at all Muslims? Heck, I'm still waiting for him to actually explain what American "Culture" actually is!
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Post by Johnnyk on Dec 12, 2006 13:27:49 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_JudahFor all reasonable purposes, the country of "Israel" did not exist until recently. The "Israelites" who migrated to that area were mostly tribal, and had tribal areas in that region. There IS a difference between a "recognized" state, and simply boundries drawn in the sand. IMPO of course. He's being deliberately obtuse and provocative. If he's half the Bible Scholar he claims to be, he should know the difference between "My PEOPLE, Israel" (which is how God designates them starting late in Exodus) and the NATION of Israel which didn't come into being until 1948. Unless, of course, he thinks all the encyclopedias, Google, Encarta and a multitude of other references are WRONG and that only HE is right. If that is the case, there are bigger issues here than simple arrogant posturing on his part.
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Post by Johnnyk on Dec 12, 2006 13:32:04 GMT -5
All of which has nothing to do with my question to you. Again, just what is it you want from the 100s of thousands of Muslim citizens in this country since you think they should be treated differently because of irrational fear directed at all Muslims? Heck, I'm still waiting for him to actually explain what American "Culture" actually is! Hot Dogs, Baseball, Mom and Apple Pie! ;D
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Post by heathenesque on Dec 12, 2006 13:37:01 GMT -5
Heck, I'm still waiting for him to actually explain what American "Culture" actually is! Hot Dogs, Baseball, Mom and Apple Pie! ;D Or grilled steaks, NASCAR, and Rice Crispy treats... Or Curry, Football and Baklavah... Or Sushi, Hockey and Cheesecake... And just how am I supposed to dress if I want to be identified as an American? (you know I love you, Johnny! But you left yourself WIDE open there)
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Post by Johnnyk on Dec 12, 2006 14:56:51 GMT -5
Hot Dogs, Baseball, Mom and Apple Pie! ;D And just how am I supposed to dress if I want to be identified as an American? (you know I love you, Johnny! But you left yourself WIDE open there) That IS a stumper...like Twain said, "It's true that clothes make the man. Naked people have little to no influence on society."
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Post by Koinonia on Dec 13, 2006 7:03:22 GMT -5
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you... I am in the middle of reading Exodus (geez, Moses was whiney) and it is my understanding that Isreal is a people, NOT a land. Is that what you mean... cuz then you are right I think... but not where they are now. They have been wandering around for quite some time. *it's hard being God's chosen. You are CORRECT on all counts...especially about Whiney Moses...the Israelites were a PEOPLE thousands of years before they became a nation. The Nation of Israel didn't come into existence until 1948. The name for the land was taken from the name of the people, not the other way around as Koinonia would have you believe. Keep reading. Israel is a people who, after 40 years of wandering in the desert make it to the Promised Land - Israel. Do a search in your Bible which shows maps of the Middle East at various stages in history or go to Google and search for historical maps of Israel. You WILL find Israel was a nation a long time ago and for a long long time.
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