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Post by heathenesque on Dec 18, 2006 2:55:51 GMT -5
Got a source for that? I'm sure the more "fundementalist/extremist" do. But I find it really tough to believe that mainstream Islam (of which the majority of Muslims reside), do that. Especially when the Quo'ran teaches that Christians and Jews are the "protected people". Since ABC news is the one I generally watch every evening, I'm sure that it was they that pointed out that schools in Saudi Arabia teach their children just that...basically death to all infidels. They even interviewed some Saudi officials that admitted it. The Palestinians and Syrians do the same from accounts I've heard. Don't have source but they shouldn't be hard to find. Then find them, please. You made the claim, after all.
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Post by Sauerkraut on Dec 18, 2006 10:30:56 GMT -5
I'm guessing you are conveniently forgetting about the Crusades... Is that current? No, but it was definitely Christian. And by most accounts many of these Arab nations are not much more 'enlightened' than the Europeans were during the age of the Crusades. "Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, With the Cross of Jesus going on before..." But that is a figuative way of spreading gods word. That is nothing like a Jihad that wants to wipe Israel off the map.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2006 11:37:57 GMT -5
Since ABC news is the one I generally watch every evening, I'm sure that it was they that pointed out that schools in Saudi Arabia teach their children just that...basically death to all infidels. They even interviewed some Saudi officials that admitted it. The Palestinians and Syrians do the same from accounts I've heard. Don't have source but they shouldn't be hard to find. Then find them, please. You made the claim, after all. It's a fact. I really don't care if you believe it or not.
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Post by cabana on Dec 18, 2006 12:55:56 GMT -5
I'm guessing you are conveniently forgetting about the Crusades... Is that current? No, but it was definitely Christian. And by most accounts many of these Arab nations are not much more 'enlightened' than the Europeans were during the age of the Crusades. "Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, With the Cross of Jesus going on before..." But that is a figuative way of spreading gods word. That is nothing like a Jihad that wants to wipe Israel off the map. No, we just send missionaries into countries to break their laws by distributing the bible. We also go to countries to "witness" to the poor creatures that do not know God's word, whether they want it or not. Face it, the Christians have been forcing their religion on others since the Roman Empire. There are also extremists who feel that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. There are "Christian" sects that teach their children hate and intolerance in their schools. Just because it is not a public school does not mean it is not there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2006 13:25:50 GMT -5
But that is a figuative way of spreading gods word. That is nothing like a Jihad that wants to wipe Israel off the map. No, we just send missionaries into countries to break their laws by distributing the bible. We also go to countries to "witness" to the poor creatures that do not know God's word, whether they want it or not. Face it, the Christians have been forcing their religion on others since the Roman Empire. There are also extremists who feel that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. There are "Christian" sects that teach their children hate and intolerance in their schools. Just because it is not a public school does not mean it is not there. Hate and intolerance is one thing, quite another to teach killing the infidels.
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Post by heathenesque on Dec 18, 2006 13:30:31 GMT -5
Then find them, please. You made the claim, after all. It's a fact. I really don't care if you believe it or not. *shrugs* Since I don't believe your "Chicken Little" argument, and you're not willing to prove your point, I guess we just keep on keeping on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2006 13:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by heathenesque on Dec 18, 2006 14:59:03 GMT -5
You don't get it. YOU made the claim. It is up to YOU to back it up. I have no problem finding information on the web. I'm quite capable of doing so. I did not feel a need to, since I. Didn't. Make. The. Claim.
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Post by heathenesque on Dec 18, 2006 15:01:28 GMT -5
BTW, you DO comprehend that Saudi Arabia is just ONE country populated with Muslims. Right? Saudi Arabia only makes up a -FRACTION- of the Muslim poulation in the world. So... just because Saudi Muslims are being taught this, does NOT mean ALL Muslims are being taught this.
So, your argument is STILL a "Chicken Little" one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2006 15:31:41 GMT -5
BTW, you DO comprehend that Saudi Arabia is just ONE country populated with Muslims. Right? Saudi Arabia only makes up a -FRACTION- of the Muslim poulation in the world. So... just because Saudi Muslims are being taught this, does NOT mean ALL Muslims are being taught this. So, your argument is STILL a "Chicken Little" one. Right, and SA has nothing to do with the al Queda, Hamas or other terrorist Isl i m e groups either. Palestinians, adults and kids jumping with joy over what happened 9/11 is no indication of how they really feel about infidels either, I'm sure.
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Post by Chevy on Dec 19, 2006 0:02:13 GMT -5
It's not so much a point of whether or not *some* Muslims do this, as two points that are getting overlooked in the argument: Yes some do teach 'death to the infidels.' But not ALL, or even most. And yes, some Christian sects *also* teach intolerance and 'death' to those who will not see things their way, such as 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.' Even though this was a mistranslation of the word for 'poisoner,' meaning an assassin. And a deliberate one on the part of King James, who had a personal 'thing' about 'pagans.' There are plenty of churches right here in the good ol' US, and many right here in the Bible Belt where I live that see it as God's Will to murder someone who reads Tarot cards or is a 'psychic' or what have you. They may decry such practice publicly, but privately they applaud when someone uses the Scripture to justify such a killing, and they truly believe that God's law is superior to man's and that these people are martyrs to the 'cause' of removing such filth from the earth. God's will, ya know. So no, it isn't *just* Muslims who teach hate, and intolerance, and that it is OK to kill people who do not believe the same way you do. I've had personal experiences of the sort, and I've been threatened more than once by zealots who looked me in the eye and quoted that line at me, with the clear intent to follow through on it written in their face. And it has happened more than once. So no, it is not just Muslims.
Do Muslims do it more than Christians do? Who knows? I doubt that anyone has ever done a survey to determine which group was the most vicious. I (do( know that Christianity has been used as the excuse for some pretty gruesome atrocities throughout history, so we have no real moral high ground to justify pillorying the Muslim faith. I think that is the only point we are trying to make here, Grumpy.
Do we think Christianity is 'better' than muslim as far as viciousness goes? In *our* limited experience, yes; but few of us have any exposure to Muslims OUTSIDE of 9-11. That is the defining moment for the majority of Americans who knew nothing about Muslims. Now they know all they need to know: Muslims are terrorist and killers. it would be sort of like a group whose only exposure to Christianity was Jonestown; if they judged all Christians by that flawed yardstick, what do you think they might think of US??
You see where we are coming from? Not trying to argue here, just explain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2006 9:09:26 GMT -5
I know where you're coming from. But you're still comparing hatred and intolerance to actual KILLING. Islamic teaching in public schools that promote death to the infidels is hardly the same as some small cult of kooks doing so.
I think the "death to the infidels" is far wider spread than just a few muslims.
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Post by Chevy on Dec 19, 2006 21:54:03 GMT -5
Well, that far I would agree with you, but I don't know enough Muslims to really make that a fair guess. It's a perception based on my limited exposure. Still, one has to admit that, at least at this present time, there are not armed bands of Christians running around the world, blowing up people and buildings for Christ.
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