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Post by britcaptain on Dec 11, 2006 22:38:03 GMT -5
Do we automatically assume that the heterosexual pastors molest young girls? After all, their attracted to females, they must molest girls right?
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Post by Ihatepeople on Dec 11, 2006 22:41:16 GMT -5
You're talking statutory rape laws, and that's a whole 'nother animal, GOM. A pedophile is attracted to YOUNG children. Those who are incapable of informed consent. Pedophiles, like any other sexual PREDATOR, is into the control issue. YOUNG children can be controlled which gives these slime the rush and the sense of power. Once again, they are NOT the same thing as two ADULTS doing something THEY enjoy in PRIVACY. So, if the laws were to change making the age of consent 9, that would make pedophilia okay? The Islamic prophet/founder Muhammed married a SIX-year-old girl and consumated the marriage when she was NINE! He was 54 years old at the time. Why in the hell would the laws be changed to make the age of consent 9 years old? This thread is full of
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Post by charlestongrrl on Dec 11, 2006 22:44:19 GMT -5
Uh oh... we'd have very few pastors if this were true... actually... none. We all sin, even pastors... this isn't why they should get kicked out. And he didn't get kicked out... he resigned. Which is very admirable, I think. Being gay is inconsistent with evangelical teaching,maybe he'd be better off in a Unitarian church setting.The problem came when he gave into temptation and thus decieved the church family.His resignation should have come much sooner. I understand that.. I just took issue with the "if you sin you get kicked out" thing that was said... that is NOT consistant with evangelical teaching... or at least not my evangelical church.
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Post by heathenesque on Dec 11, 2006 23:57:58 GMT -5
ATTRACTION to the same sex is inherent. There goes your argument about lesbians having babies. Hope that bullet you just shot into your foot doesn't hurt that bad. lol ;D Oh? How?
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Post by Koinonia on Dec 12, 2006 8:42:56 GMT -5
Being gay is inconsistent with evangelical teaching,maybe he'd be better off in a Unitarian church setting.The problem came when he gave into temptation and thus decieved the church family.His resignation should have come much sooner. I understand that.. I just took issue with the "if you sin you get kicked out" thing that was said... that is NOT consistant with evangelical teaching... or at least not my evangelical church. I agree with you. I meant get kicked out of the pulpit or leadership position. He should, as Pilgrim stated, stay in church and under the leadership, to get help and counseling for his sin, which is no better or worse than any other sin in God's eyes, but his sin affects other's trust in him. A practicing homosexual cannot be a leader or pastor of a church. That part is clear.
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Post by Sauerkraut on Dec 12, 2006 10:12:04 GMT -5
At least he came clean and confessed his sins and did the right thing and steped down. He must get credit for that. I hope he seeks treatment for his dis-order though.. remember when Jimmy Swaggart was caught with a hooker and he had girlie mags inside his car and he latter confessed and cryed in front of his flock asking for forgiveness? That also was a hard bold thing to do. Jimmy Swaggart should be given credit for what he did. Give credit where credit is due..
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Post by Sauerkraut on Dec 12, 2006 10:20:24 GMT -5
Do we automatically assume that the heterosexual pastors molest young girls? After all, their attracted to females, they must molest girls right? No it doesn't seem to happen. I'd guess that gay men are drawn themselfs to careers where they can have contact with alot of males, such as a pastor of a church, or a boy scout leader or a camp coun. or careers along those lines. Just like offten times a "firebug" is attracted to getting a job as a fireman. (We had one such guy in Ohio who offten set fires and he worked as a fireman.) This was about 5 years ago. This is why I think many preists are gay, they apply for that job because they like the lifestyle a preist has, (A straight man is offten turned off by living a lifestyle of a priest) then latter people wonder why it seems all the preists are gay. It's a cause & effect thing IMO thanx.
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Post by bizzalou on Dec 12, 2006 10:23:00 GMT -5
At least he came clean and confessed his sins and did the right thing and steped down. He must get credit for that. I hope he seeks treatment for his dis-order though.. remember when Jimmy Swaggart was caught with a hooker and he had girlie mags inside his car and he latter confessed and cryed in front of his flock asking for forgiveness? That also was a hard bold thing to do. Jimmy Swaggart should be given credit for what he did. Give credit where credit is due.. You're kidding, right? Swaggart's crying in front of his flock was purely a financial ploy to keep them in his clutches. His own church, the Assemblies of God, to whom he urged his followers to consider God's own authority on Earth, asked him to take a hiatus as a sort of penance, and to seek professional help, and he REFUSED! REFUSED to follow the church that he had been shoving down the throats of his "followers" for years! He turned his back on Assemblies of God, and formed his own ministry, so that he could continue to collect the life savings of the poor elderly people watching at home, who believed his every word. My ex-husband's grandmother was one of them...When she died, the family discovered that she was living in poverty only because she'd "pledged" everything her husband had left her, to him! Jimmy Swaggart is nothing but an attention hog and a hypocrite!!
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Post by Reb_Al on Dec 12, 2006 10:25:49 GMT -5
Well I have always said "Let those without sin cast the first stone"
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Post by Ihatepeople on Dec 12, 2006 10:28:19 GMT -5
Jimmy Swaggart should be given credit for what he did. Give credit where credit is due.. Yeah, you're right!!! People who hire hookers & have extra-marital affairs should be leading people to god!! I've seen the light sauerkraut thanks or so it seems to me!!!
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Post by diplomat on Dec 12, 2006 11:00:47 GMT -5
Why in the hell would the laws be changed to make the age of consent 9 years old? It was a hypothetical proposition to illustrate a point that you didn't get regarding statutory rape laws, regulation of the age of consent and what constitues pedophilia as a perversion (rather than acceptable behavior) in various cultures. If the age of consent were tied to the onset of menses, 9 years old might not be out of the question. The age of consent in several foreign countries is 12 (including Mexico). IN the TALMUD: “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse” (Jacob Neusner 1993, 41) and that, according to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day old, because they were suitable for having sexual relations.
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Post by Ihatepeople on Dec 12, 2006 11:04:45 GMT -5
Why in the hell would the laws be changed to make the age of consent 9 years old? It was a hypothetical proposition to illustrate a point that you didn't get. If the age of consent were tied to the onset of menses, 9 years old might not be out of the question. The age of consent in several foreign countries is 12 (including Mexico). IN the TALMUD: “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse” (Jacob Neusner 1993, 41) and that, according to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day old, because they were suitable for having sexual relations. Hypothetical propositions have no place in a discussion about a gay preacher. My god, how hard is it to stay in a simple debate for you people? Every single thread, same ole same ole bullcrap. Never about the issue at hand.
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Post by diplomat on Dec 12, 2006 13:44:04 GMT -5
Hypothetical propositions have no place in a discussion about a gay preacher. My god, how hard is it to stay in a simple debate for you people? Every single thread, same ole same ole bullcrap. Never about the issue at hand. So, what's it like at the discussion forum that YOU administer, PEOPLE-HATER?
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Post by Ihatepeople on Dec 12, 2006 14:41:38 GMT -5
Hypothetical propositions have no place in a discussion about a gay preacher. My god, how hard is it to stay in a simple debate for you people? Every single thread, same ole same ole bullcrap. Never about the issue at hand. So, what's it like at the discussion forum that YOU administer, PEOPLE-HATER? We all get along just fine.
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Post by Rusty on Dec 12, 2006 23:02:19 GMT -5
I understand that.. I just took issue with the "if you sin you get kicked out" thing that was said... that is NOT consistant with evangelical teaching... or at least not my evangelical church. I agree with you. I meant get kicked out of the pulpit or leadership position. He should, as Pilgrim stated, stay in church and under the leadership, to get help and counseling for his sin, which is no better or worse than any other sin in God's eyes, but his sin affects other's trust in him. A practicing homosexual cannot be a leader or pastor of a church. That part is clear. I certainly hope his church helps him not throw him out like trash.I went to a church for 25 yrs and after getting divorced got the cold shoulder from certain members I ran into shopping,in restaurants,etc.I ate at the houses of some,worshipped side by side for many years.Not once did anyone call,Pastor,members inquiring about ME,howz everything,can I help, the silence was deafining.There's one family who lives about 150yds away from me with whom I ate with,worshipped with,swam in their pool,hung around with their teens,had meetings in their house.I ran into the wife in our local Christmas Tree Shop and all I got was a terse "hi",pffft.I apologize for the personal rant and for getting off topic,will step off now
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